Spartan Mike

Admirals of the Fleet - Exciting fan designed vessels!

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As many of you Commodores are aware, perhaps one of the most exciting components of our Kickstarter was the Admirals of the Fleet backer option.

This limited selection gave over 20 superfans the exciting experiance of designing a new model (or models!) for any nation/faction of there choosing!

A lot of veteran forum-goers have been dropping amazing hints and tidbits about their secretive designs, and I wanted to again take this chance to thank them again for their incredible support and enthusiasm. Working with these folks has been an incredibly fun experiance and that work is moving right along!

Many backers are set to move into the design and CAD stage, so as we get some of these new vessels in the can, you can expect a flush of blogs and posts highlighting these awesome new elements!

Lots of mystery and questions have surrounded this project, so I also wanted to make this post one that shined a little more light on the subject and can further be an info bank for more speculation and excitement!

-The nations thus far represented in our Admiral of the Fleet Project have covered, thus far, every Greater Power.

-allies and minor factions have also been getting a few amazing nods (China and the Teutonic order settling up to be pretty amazing!)

-The Kingdom of Britannia, so far, has a strong "lead" over her competition in terms of volume of ships designed... never would have thought a nations pride of ownership would come to this concept from a game made in the U.K. ;) 

-currently sitting, about 50% of backers have had Alpha stats solidified and have moved into, test and review stage. The next coarse of action is scheduling concept time with our design artist, then it's off to print!

 

Very exciting times for all. Check back in this space for more updates, speculation, silly dialogue and spoilers, as well as updates on the blog!

Happy hunting!

-Mike

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3 hours ago, CptEvilstopper said:

A carrier sub would be a great One Careful Owner for my Black Wolfs!

were it not for the fact that pretty much all carriers have the massive designation :P

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@Spartan Mike

Any chance you can tell us which Core (Air, Land, Sea) tge majority of these models will be for? A full numeric breakdown would be nice, but that might reveal more than you could be able to tell us.

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@Merlin

A full numerical breakdown will come as soon as I have all the complete data for the project finished!

But I can see nothing wrong with some more hints!

So far the amount of "non-Naval / non-typical" vessels that have been completed:

Robots: 3

Airships: 4

Sub: 1

Surface Skimmer Naval: 1

Fortification: 1

Wave Lurker: 1

Still many more to go! :)

-Mike

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My heart is lifted by the sight of any wavelurker. A new one is always welcome :D I am also happy a fortification and a sub are there, woo for the non-standards!

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A Fortification? That's a very surprising thing to see....curious as to who it's for. 

 

I think it's safe to assume one or two of the Robots are for the Teutonics.

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13 minutes ago, Spartan Mike said:

@Merlin you would be correct!

@Thamoz is in for a shock!

:)

-Mike

As long as that shock isn't some other nation stealing our wavelurking tech. I can only imagine the madness wrought by a CoA player run wild with design ideas.

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@Spartan Mike well that was a safe bet. The real challenge will be who gets the fortification. My bet is China.

 

The other will probably be:

1 French Airship, if the forums are any indication

1 Airship is Russian, again forum talk about it.

The Surface Skimmer could be anyone, but I'm at least 70% sure it'll be French.

The Sub will be British. 

And I would have said the wave lurked would be CoA, but after your comments in not sure now.

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8 hours ago, Spartan Mike said:

@Merlin you would be correct!

@Thamoz is in for a shock!

:)

-Mike

Hoping that we might see flying /skimming/diving robots for the STO. 

Are there any Prussian units among those? 

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@Merlin The speculation has me cackling and wringing my claws! ;) 

There is a lot of exciting new concepts, all sensible, part of he structure of the project is to assure that everything is logically thematic and story appropriate. A big must for me personally, and these fans are the most passionate bunch I have had the pleasure of working with yet!

@Zahariel Flying Prussian/STO bot checking in!

Fun part is that it is appropriately tagged for both! Super win win!

-Mike

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17 minutes ago, Spartan Mike said:

 

@Zahariel Flying Prussian/STO bot checking in!

Fun part is that it is appropriately tagged for both! Super win win!

-Mike

This right here is why the STO should just be removed as a separate faction. They are being diluted so much into the Prussian Orbat that can they seriously be considered a separate faction by this point? When these get released they'll have up to 8 unique units (Dreadbots, Metzger, Schildtrager, Faust, maybe two new Robots, and Aufseher) and maybe four of them will be accessible for the Prussians automatically. 

 

Seriously, just kill them as a separate entity. There is no point in them anymore as a separate sub faction if this is all that is going to happen to them every time they get a new toy.

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2 hours ago, Merlin said:

This right here is why the STO should just be removed as a separate faction. They are being diluted so much into the Prussian Orbat that can they seriously be considered a separate faction by this point? When these get released they'll have up to 8 unique units (Dreadbots, Metzger, Schildtrager, Faust, maybe two new Robots, and Aufseher) and maybe four of them will be accessible for the Prussians automatically. 

 

Seriously, just kill them as a separate entity. There is no point in them anymore as a separate sub faction if this is all that is going to happen to them every time they get a new toy.

Alternatively, make all these robots and things that are thematically STO, STO only, then make these available to the prussians as lend-lease. I'd rather see STO more defined/separate, than killed off. They invoke a certain kind of flavour/image that should be preserved imo.

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49 minutes ago, varnos said:

Alternatively, make all these robots and things that are thematically STO, STO only, then make these available to the prussians as lend-lease. I'd rather see STO more defined/separate, than killed off. They invoke a certain kind of flavour/image that should be preserved imo.

That flavour is already heavily diluted by this point. The idea of big walking robots is mostly associated with the Prussian Empire because Spartan doesn't list the two big Robots they have as STO robots. They aren't featured highly in the Alliance Nation section of the online shop, and wbat is there is at the very end of the Models section. A footnote so to speak.

 

I'm all for the STO keeping some form of identity, but only within the Prussian Orbat. Be that seperate Commodore doctrine from the Prussian ones, and an alternate set of universal special rules for STO commodore based fleets. Something like that would be better than Lend Lease. 

It still allows STO players to play a distinctly STO feeling fleet, while at the same time opening up the Prussian Orbat for better list combinations

 

This would allow Spartan to introduce a new close ally for the Prussians, or reintroduce the Habsburg Union of Austro-Hungary, or the Romanians become their new ally (even though they were close allies to the Russians originally) there are many better things they could do than perpetuating a sub faction with little identity, or difference to its master.

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4 hours ago, Merlin said:

This right here is why the STO should just be removed as a separate faction. They are being diluted so much into the Prussian Orbat that can they seriously be considered a separate faction by this point? When these get released they'll have up to 8 unique units (Dreadbots, Metzger, Schildtrager, Faust, maybe two new Robots, and Aufseher) and maybe four of them will be accessible for the Prussians automatically. 

 

Seriously, just kill them as a separate entity. There is no point in them anymore as a separate sub faction if this is all that is going to happen to them every time they get a new toy.

Perhaps,  yes they don't have enough units,  but that just means that spartan games didn't put much of their attention on fleshing out this faction. This however is about to change as Operation ice maiden highlights how STO works together with their Prussian counterparts.  It's imo a good opportunity to introduce us to this faction, and as proven by the popularity vote,  we ranked only second to the Egyptians.  

Fluffwise, STO isn't Prussia too. Its a close ally of Prussia but maintains its sovereignty ( correct me if I'm wrong).  It shows how Prussia as a world power doesn't just arm wrestle Its weaker nations to join it's country. So it would be a pity If you just decided to wipe it out and says STO is pretty much Prussian, as it really highlights how Prussia works as a nation.  

Imo this might seems insignificant to you but it's these little bits and pieces of fluff that really builds and shape the world.  

 

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The STO are a Dominion of the Prussian Empire, like Canada, Australia and India are to Britannia. So not an independent nation at all...like Canada, Australia and India...only these three have more character to them than the STO.

Also, the Teutonic Order are the Emperor's Bodyguards as well.

 

So they are the same nation, only with Robots.  Which is why folding them into the Prussian Orbat wouldn't actually do any harm in either game terms or fluff terms.

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But by that same logic we may as well fold Canada, India, and Australia into the Britannia nation, take them out completely.

That doesn't feel right either though does it?  The STO needs to be fleshed out more, that is very true.  But that can and should be done without just making it a part of the Prussian ORBAT.  Its just tossing everything out rather than changing things.  It is the lazy way to do it.

Besides, with the implied changes to taking allies, it will be easier and more common to take allies from many different sources so they could easily remove some parts of the STO from the Prussian ORBAT and they could still easily take them, or other nations can take the same models without much issue even if they aren't in their ORBAT.

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The KoB dominions are in a completely different situation to the STO. They are relatively fleshed out and unique compared with their master.

The Australians have Devastating on all turrets. And are a very aggressive faction.

The Indians have more of a boarding focus to them than KoB does and are all round fairly tough and hard hitting.

Canadian Land units are all fairly good and specialise in their own areas. But I don't play land (unfortunately) so I don't know how good they are. But they are unique in their own right.

 

Second of all, KoB don't bypass the Alliance rules like the Prussians do. So all of those dominions are completely distinct entities. 

The STO has been bled into the Prussian Empire since the game began. How can the STO be considered a separate faction if you do not need to actually play with their faction to use their new toys? 

 

Since Mike has said the new STO stuff will have both Prussian and STO designation, the Alliance rules probably haven't been changed as much as you may believe. It could be the One Capital and One Non-Capital squadron is all that will be removed and it would still require opponents approval to use ally models. 

This would make the two faction designations very important as it allows the Prussians to bypass the Alliance rules altogether when these models are released. 

 

If that is the case, then your back to square one where the STO remains a niche faction for a niche theatre with a lot less options compared to the Prussian Empire. 

 

Even if they get fleshed out more, I do not see the faction gaining any sort of traction so long as Spartan keeps giving their units to the Prussian for free. 

 

Besides, it's not like I've suggested killing them completely. Adding a second set of Commodore Abilities and Universal Special Rules to the Prussian Orbat would do well enough to make an STO force within the foundation of the Prussian orbat possible.

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This is exciting news! I'm excited to see what people have come up with. I can only hope one of those robots is the beloved DreadSquid.

Mike, I know part of the KS allowed backers to block the general release of their models. How many of these are we actually going to be able to get? Will you show us the ones that won't be available? (Part of me wants to see them, and the other part thinks it would simply be cruel...<_<)

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