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Official Thread: Prussian Scandinavia

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Just purchased this mini based on its model- of course the base was not packaged with the model.

So I will build my own.

 

Seems like the forward Tesla cannons will be a welcome addition to the naval forces -but with the

"combat drop" mar - for upto 6 small tanks or small robot - I assume that this is really more of a land

combat capital ship.

 

Anybody else grab this beautiful model yet?

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I'm getting one just to piss off one of our players who believes bunkers at the midpoint are a must in every game. Let's see how quickly 6 Fausts can turn a bunker to rubble when combat dropped behind one. :D

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I played with one of these today and let me tell you, the Fausts just ripped up the middle of the Blazing Suns force after the Aufseher dropped them off.

Still, it is a very expensive combo. 180 points or he Fausts, 160 for the Aufseher, and then 60 more so that you can embark them. It was cool, but I'm not sure it was worth it.

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A word of caution though.... :huh:

 

The Auseher and Fausts DO provide the enemy with a solid amount of VPs all in one place.

Auseher = 220pts + Fausts = 180pts.

Imagine a 1000pt game...that's 400VPs gone in one go to concentrated fire....or even worse 620VPs it the vessel is captured! :blink:

 

So during testing I learned [mostly the hard way] that placing the Airship and Robots in the Advance Force, or in the Flank, or making sure the Robots were in the ground securing the middle table area as quickly as possible, was always a good idea. :unsure:

 

....its still brutal though.....I always find it hard to leave it at home during ANY size of Land Game! :D

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Given that it was fun and effective after seriously overpaying for it, I can't see not brining an Aufseher full of little robot death in the future.

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I don't get it. Why pay 60pts if you get them. Why pay at all if they are included? Other wise it wouldn't be there and it would be combat drop can take up to 6 fausts. Has same effect points wise. I think it is 160 + 60 + 180. And I can't see that is specifically says it covers the initial models in the unit. But if its there show me where as it would be good to reduce the price. So I'm going with delboys price unless someone has the pages of the rules for leviathans costings.

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Thanks so much guys this is greatly appreciated as is the points reduction! I've been searching the forum and rule books all evening! I'm glad the outcome was different to my interpretation! Thanks again.

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With so many sub-forums and threads, we're trying to give the Spartan Games Community a bit of a tidy-up. Let's try and keep to the official threads and see how we go.

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I'd love to see insurrection in Scandinavia. The norwegians are unhappy because the conflict (and the fact that they are on the prussian side) hamper their merchant fleet and they don't get their share of their oil in the north sea, the swedes are unhappy because their resources are bled southwards, iron ore, coal and rare earth metals.

Both nations look with envy to the south. The danes got to keep their kingdom, why do WE have to be ruled by stiff german knights?

I'd guess neither nation would like to be russians, they might even be happy to ally with the prussians (although the norwegians might like KoB more) but they want to retain their nominal freedom.

 

A lot of insurrections with infantry tokens, perhaps KoB landings in the north with light vehicles or maybe enven the CoA could take advantage of it and 'port in tank destroyers to knock down metzgers and shield robots (shildtrager?) while line infantry and 'cavalry' hunt down the rest with home made explosives and molotov coctails.

There is a lot of historic animosity between the scandinavian countries (add in Denmark here).

End result... Scandinavian Free State with Trondheim as capital? (Have to scribble down campaign notes)

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Well, seeing as the Danes and PLC just got themselves a shiny new boxed set to bring them up to full Alliance Nation strength, this only leaves Prussian Scandinavia and that warzone of a country between Prussia and France as the two nations lagging behind in model counts.

So guys, what do you you reckon we might get if we get ourselves some shiny new toys? :D

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Anything new will be several months away and probably longer as 2.0 should be release after the new year.

 

Since Prussian Scandinavia is essentially the Teutonic Order and those guys like to build robots I would think flying robots are a strong possibility.

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Initially I had overlooked the Fausts, obsessing over the Zeppelin (Aufseher), which led me to cast Scandinavia as something of a synergy between Charles XII's 'Carolean Army', and 8th century Norsemen riding zeppelins; sort of a Scandinavian aerial raiding fleet-

Hundreds of zeppelins, like storm clouds, sweeping down from the icy north, raining lightning bolts and elite strike infantry on unsuspecting continentals, like the Viking Long Ships of old, plying through the sky.

Now that I've seen Poland's box (which makes Poland everything I thought Scandinavia would be), and the direction Denmark is going in, I think I may have sorely miscast the Swedes as an aerial power, and my suspicion is that they'll be almost exclusively a land faction, geared toward robots. It's a shame, too, I built an entire aerial fleet around the idea of Scandinavia as Sky Vikings. It will be a sad day when they do release them, and I'm forced to prune off all the Prussian sky ships I used to round out my Aufseher Fleet, and re-hash them for clunky ground combat. 

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Personally, I think all of the new releases are Prussian Scandinavian units, even though they may have been released as Empire units.

 

For example, the Speerwurf was developed by the Teutonic Order. The Schildtrager is a Robot, so it's definately a Teutonic Order unit, despite it not being released as such.

 

Personally, I think all Spartan has to do is remove the availablity of the Robots from the Prussian Empire army list, and transfer them to the PS army list and all will be fine.

 

Hell they don't even have to release a new box set. We already have the Teunoic Order box set.

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I'd like to see us some flying robots, simply so I can finally have some flying robot battles against my FSA mate... :P

I could also see Prussian Scandanvia become the more 'super-sciencey' arm of the PE. I mean, we are yet to see a zeppelin dripping in speerschleuders after all... And the Jaeger needs a big brother... ;)

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The jager already has a big brother. The speerwurf. It costs more, it does way more.

Bigger stats, better at everything? Sounds very big brothery to me.

I don't see another Speerschleuder armed flyer being too far away. But if the Speerschleuder and Tesla weaponry is the extent of the Prussian super science faction.....then I think we should just stay with the Prussians getting everything and ignore the Teutonic order because they wouldn't be any different to the current Prussian forces.

A rather boring prospect, im sure you'll agree.

The robot aspect though I can live with being separate. They just need a new kind of weapon system, or effect that makes them different to the Prussian empire forces.

Personally though, I would prefer the Teutonic order to be robot assault specialists, with backup tank units that are also extremely assault capable (like they recieve Ferocious on all vessels as standard)

So where the Prussians are assault capable, the Teutonic order would be better.

Also I think that it fits with them being a religious military order. They never did anything in half measures.

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I think, given Scandinavia's original release as the air-drop specialists, they should continue development with a medium fire-support airship, and at least a medium sized robot (hopefully a droppable one via the aufseher), rounded off with a heavy interceptor small flier to clear a path for the aufseher drops. TK is clearly the elite strikeforce of the PE, I expect it to develop the infrastructure to act as such.

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One thing that I question about the "Order" is how are they keeping the Russians at bay ? Didn't the Czar's troops invade Finland and proceed onward to Swedish/ Teutonic territory ? I guess there are regular Prussian army forces there along side Teutonic Order forces. This could be the premise for new Order robots. Might be enough there for a new box set.

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The jager already has a big brother. The speerwurf. It costs more, it does way more.

Bigger stats, better at everything? Sounds very big brothery to me.

I don't see another Speerschleuder armed flyer being too far away. But if the Speerschleuder and Tesla weaponry is the extent of the Prussian super science faction.....then I think we should just stay with the Prussians getting everything and ignore the Teutonic order because they wouldn't be any different to the current Prussian forces.

A rather boring prospect, im sure you'll agree.

I'd say a technology we are yet to develop in the real world some 150 years on is pretty "super-sciencey". And far from boring, so I must disagree. ;)

And seeing as the Speerwurf is built on the same airframe as a Jaeger, I wouldn't exactly call it a 'big brother'... More 'non-identical twin that liked sports more'... :P I'm talking something more akin to a Pflict or Gewitterwolke packing lots of delicious electric-harpoons. And seeing as the Speerschleuder is a Teutonic Order invention, it would make sense the combination of a larger airframe with the speerschleuder would have some input from our favourite mountain-dwelling knights...  ^_^ 

Another option would be perhaps a twin-Speerschleuder-packing Schildtrager-type Medium Robot that can be used as an attachment to the Schildtragers, or on it's own in a smaller unit size. A kind of offensive/support medium class robot.  :lol: 

And of course, I'm still barracking for a flying variant... I've got some grudges to settle with some John Henry's...  <_<

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I'd say a technology we are yet to develop in the real world some 150 years on is pretty "super-sciencey". And far from boring, so I must disagree. ;)

Oh I'm sure that the Teutonic Order has other crazier weapons up it's sleeve. Whats the point in being the mad science division if they don't have other special weapons?

 

For example. Tesla Coil and Speerschleuder research could be their equivelent to 'child's play' compared to whatever else they have. Which would explain why they are willing to share their knowledge on them with the rest of the Prussian Empire.

 

But the real interesting stuff they would keep for themselves.

 

There are more possibilities out there for the Teutonic Order to be more than what the Prussians have been re-cast as. A whaling fleet.

 

To keep players such as yourself who seem to be facinated with the imagery of harpoon launching happy (I fail to see the appeal, but there you go), Tesla Coils and Speerschleuders can stay as the standard secondary armament. But the Primary weaponry I feel could be much, much more nasty as befitting a Mad science division (in fact, I would prefer that all of their weaponry should be different on the brand new units at the very least)

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Oh I'm sure that the Teutonic Order has other crazier weapons up it's sleeve. Whats the point in being the mad science division if they don't have other special weapons?

 

For example. Tesla Coil and Speerschleuder research could be their equivelent to 'child's play' compared to whatever else they have. Which would explain why they are willing to share their knowledge on them with the rest of the Prussian Empire.

 

But the real interesting stuff they would keep for themselves.

 

There are more possibilities out there for the Teutonic Order to be more than what the Prussians have been re-cast as. A whaling fleet.

 

To keep players such as yourself who seem to be facinated with the imagery of harpoon launching happy (I fail to see the appeal, but there you go), Tesla Coils and Speerschleuders can stay as the standard secondary armament. But the Primary weaponry I feel could be much, much more nasty as befitting a Mad science division (in fact, I would prefer that all of their weaponry should be different on the brand new units at the very least)

 

I'd be more than happy to hear your suggestions on 'new weapon types', but seeing as we already have: lasers, Tesla, thermal induction, flamethrowers, nuclear, torpedoes, rockets, sonic, particle accelerators, temporal manipulation, rail guns, and conventional and enhanced explosives of pretty much any type you care to name (to name just the ones I can think of off the top of my head), there isn't much left in terms of 'signature toys' to be handed out. 

And seeing as it was the Teutonic Order that gave Prussia their signature weapon, having bigger, better and weirder variants of it make perfect sense, rather than coming up with a completely new type of weapon just for themselves... I see them as having shinier, more experimental versions of the Tesla/speerschleuder tech tree.

For instance, a Tesla Node Generator to hurl possible critical rolls around the table, especially seeing as the speerschleuder now makes the Tesla Gen work on a 3+ rather than 5+. And hey, the Node Generator tech is currently only available to our allies, the EotBS, so we don't even have to steal it to improve it!  :lol: 

Or maybe something like a Small Flying Robot armed with Tesla weapons that range ahead of the main force, raining lightning from the skies before descending to finish off the crippled enemies in melee combat?  :o 

Maybe Tesla Mines (mines with Lethal Strike)? A type of Tesla cannon that can arc to any nearby units (2-4") on a 4+ at a decreased AD?

Oh, and of course, don't forget lots of speerschleuders. You may not like embedding a giant lightning rod into the side of enemy vehicles and then giggling as their engineers struggle to remove it before you unleash focused voltaic doom upon them, but I sure as hell do! And I'm sure I'm not alone.  ^_^

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